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fabphil
12-08-17, 08:38 PM
As promised, this will probably be a long running thread as garage time is short at present.

Extracting block from packing case.
Re conditioned early 70's block. Think its a D0VE-A.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_598f66730f4e7.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_598f66730f0f2.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_598f66730ef39.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_598f66730edae.jpg

Mounted on stand, bagged up until next time :)

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_598f66731053e.jpg

stilltrying
13-08-17, 08:25 PM
waiting with baited breath:tup:

Plumpcars
14-08-17, 05:45 AM
Good thread. Quite a car that now.

fabphil
14-08-17, 07:31 PM
Good thread. Quite a car that now.

I enjoy the tinkering.
One day it will go up the strip and I'll scare myself :D

fabphil
02-08-18, 04:16 PM
Finally got to have a look at the block and realised I didn't have any thing big enough to install the core plugs.
5.99 and two days later this arrived 19mm 1/2" drive :)
Hope to get the plugs installed tonight.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5b632d69eecae.jpg
Then just got to degrease and paint.
Problem is I just can't be arsed in this heat :cool:

malamute john
07-08-18, 08:49 PM
Block looks very nice; but those main caps dont look like any Chevrolet Ive ever seen... ;)

fabphil
08-08-18, 08:22 AM
Block looks very nice; but those main caps dont look like any Chevrolet Ive ever seen... ;)

What can I say John, been a Ford guy all my life never under stood why people put Chevy engines in a Ford other than the're cheap :giggle:

roscobbc
08-08-18, 09:00 AM
What can I say John, been a Ford guy all my life never under stood why people put Chevy engines in a Ford other than the're cheap :giggle:

On the 'wings of a DOVE' so to speak!

malamute john
08-08-18, 04:39 PM
What can I say John, been a Ford guy all my life never under stood why people put Chevy engines in a Ford other than the're cheap :giggle:

LOL! To quote one of my heroes, Guy Gadbois, "yes, yes... I knew that...' :D

fabphil
26-09-18, 04:29 PM
Had an unexpected day off today. Suns out so....out she comes.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb07de683d.jpg

Chamfered the oil return holes in the valley and the oil pump feed.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb0d25664e.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb0d249571.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb0d2492dc.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb0d259795.jpg

Then found some bad surface rust in the bores!
Found this in the back of the garage, worked a treat. Nice clean bores :)
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb1878ec52.jpg

Had to squirt some Gibbs oil down the bore as lube
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb19634666.jpg

Then just pull up and down slowly.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb187896a2.jpg

Degreased block with Gunk.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb1fb96a52.jpg

Cleaned out all the oil ways etc. Then blew dry with air line.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb20e5bfad.jpg

As the block dried you could see the surface rust starting to form!
Masked up.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb29df1102.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb2cba8e10.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb2d996e3a.jpg
Epoxy primer.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb2fdbde6f.jpg

fabphil
26-09-18, 04:29 PM
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb29df0a0c.jpg
Then......
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb33710148.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb3371032d.jpg
I know Orange is Chevy or Mopar, but I like Orange and its my car :tup:
The colour is Tractor Orange!
More to follow....... starting the build.

fabphil
24-10-18, 09:25 AM
Quick update.
All has ground to a halt :mad:
The cam wont fit in the new cam bearings so the cam tunnel needs honing.
Last week I trapped a nerve in my back so can hardly walk and can't move anything heavy......
Just as well I'm not in a hurry to finish :giggle:

stilltrying
24-10-18, 04:45 PM
At least you know what needs doing to the engine. Now all you need do is get better, trapped nerves are a complete bugger and happen when you least expect it so hope your recovery is quick, but as you have probably been told, just take it easy. Good luck.:tup:

malamute john
28-10-18, 05:14 PM
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb29df0a0c.jpg
Then......
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb33710148.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5babb3371032d.jpg
I know Orange is Chevy or Mopar, but I like Orange and its my car :tup:
The colour is Tractor Orange!
More to follow....... starting the build.

Orange? On a FORD?!? is that even legal? ;)

looking good - now get to feeling better

fabphil
22-11-18, 04:15 PM
Finally got off my arse and got the block to Serdi in Uxbridge to have a look at the cam fitting problem.
They looked at the block and said sometimes the cam tunnels are under sized so will need honing out.
Also looked at the bores and said "Have these been honed?"
Well I paid for a finish hone to 4.390" when the block was sent over.
After measuring with an internal mic, turns out the finish hone had not been done, another 160 to find.
Serdi are ordering me some wider cam bearings from Dura Bond.
This is a common tweek in the Ford racing world.
Gives a 0.80" wider surface than the standard bearing to spread the load, particularly on the front bearing that takes the load from the dissy and oil pump.
All the bearings on a BBF are the same diameter and do not get smaller as they go back in the block like a lot of engines.
Due to the bore hone they asked for the pistons to make sure all fitted OK, second round trip involved :doh:
Just waiting for the final bill!

Torment
23-11-18, 06:26 AM
Hey at least if it's being finished machined over here it should be correct...I would be chasing the yanks for some cashback now...

Plumpcars
24-11-18, 06:13 AM
Serdi are good.

fabphil
24-11-18, 08:36 PM
They seemed very conscientious.
Pointed out things that I would have no experience with.
They are sorting out the new bearings etc.
Can't wait to get started on the actual build.

fabphil
16-12-18, 05:32 PM
Some progress at last.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c168a5ed4498.jpg
The block is back from Serdi. Have to say Matt there is a top bloke. The cam tunnel was at the low end of tolerance so got honed to spec.
He also pointed out the "finished hone" I'd got from the States was a bit rough. I dropped the pistons down to them and they did a finish hone for me to the correct size. He said there was 0.001" clearance originally so the pistons would have fitted OK then the engine would have seized solid after about 2 minutes.
As Serdi a Dura Bond bearing dealers they managed to get me a set of the wider bearings for a BBF. The cam now has more surface area to sit on and spread the load better. Particularly on the front bearing as it takes the distributor and oil pump drive.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c168a5eaabb2.jpg

Only problem now is to clean it all down again before I can continue.

fabphil
26-12-18, 07:43 PM
Boxing Day in the garage...Yaaay :)

Cam finally in! Turns smoothly :tup:
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c23d7b4ed954.jpg
Lower King coated racing main bearings being installed.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c23d7b4ed954.jpg

Crank in place, Eagle forged 4340, 3 inch mains, 2.2 inch rod journals, ESP coated, and balanced by Bassett Down
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c23d7b628514.jpg

Bearing tolerances checked on No's.2 & 4 saddle. 0.003", spot on.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c23d7b663e37.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c23d7b66a7af.jpg

All main caps on. Crank spins beautifully.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c23d93d8d9b3.jpg

Finished for the day.

fad15
27-12-18, 08:26 AM
Good stuff.

stilltrying
27-12-18, 10:59 AM
Nice bit of progress, keep it up:tup:

fabphil
01-01-19, 12:34 PM
Rods now fitted to pistons, What sick bast*rd invented Spiro locks. Had a good fight with them....blood all over the pistons as the ends dug in my fingers!
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c2b5d47e5083.jpg
Found the most boring job in the world....filing piston ring gaps.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c2b5d47c21b1.jpg
Top ring and 2nd ring gap set at 0.028" oil scraper gap 0.017". These seem quite big gaps but its whats on the chart for a motor running a 150-300 shot of nitrous.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c2b5d48066e6.jpg
I will de-bur the rings before final installation.
Just need to order a new set of bearings for a BBC rod (2.2") not a Ford!!!!

fabphil
22-01-19, 11:19 AM
Got some time in the garage on Sunday afternoon.
Finished filing burs off piston rings, checked rod bearing clearances, fitted all rings and used new ring compressor to fit. How easy was that...just drop the piston in ,place in the bore and tap with a hammer handle no fuss, slid straight in.
I'm using Comp Cams engine building lube on the shells. Each rod bolt has to be tightened individually and stretched 0.065" so they are all equal, none of this torque wrench stuff :). Then fitted new woodruff key and lower cam timing chain sprocket.
Just trying to source a bronze cam thrust plate. Found one in the States but the seller id being funny about posting to the UK....
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c45c8520caad.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c45c852f13d6.jpg

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http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c45c85595f29.jpg

stilltrying
22-01-19, 06:23 PM
Nice to see some real progress, great feeling when stuff starts to go together and the pile of parts reduces. Next step start up:tup:

malamute john
24-01-19, 08:38 PM
dats purty... :)

fabphil
24-01-19, 09:05 PM
dats purty... :)

And its a Ford :D

fabphil
02-02-19, 05:26 PM
Declared a 'snow day" on Friday so got some garage time.
Thermals on, wood burner on, happy days.
Made piston stop tool to find TDC.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55cf27b81ba.jpg

Degree wheel fitted, couldn't afford the nice big one!
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55cf27109e1.jpg

After some tooing and frowing,calculations came up with 106.5 degrees center line.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55cf267b2d5.jpg

The cam card says 104 so 2 degrees retarded, was able to used the adjustable cam sprocket and advance 2 degrees to get to 104.5.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55cf27c16c8.jpg

Checked valve lift, open, close etc.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55cf27c3580.jpg

Then fitted the other six pistons.(Forgot to take a pic:()
Took a while as each rod bolt (Eagle ARP2000) had to individually be measured before and after stretching. Got 0.065" on each bolt so they should all be equally tight.

Got oil pump and pickup mounted. The Ford Racing pump is made by Melling and was $20 cheaper than the Melling equivalent.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55d1a001e76.jpg

The flange to the pump does not line up so required some modding on the pickup bracket.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55d1a03198e.jpg
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c55d1a055b91.jpg

Just got to enlarge hole in gasket to the block.
These pumps have a habit of cracking through the mounting neck to I will also be making a brace from the pump to the front main cap to steady things.

Plumpcars
03-02-19, 06:49 AM
Nice build!

stilltrying
03-02-19, 09:51 AM
All that precision equipment and a CLAW HAMMER Noooooo!

Coming along nicely:tup:

fabphil
03-02-19, 06:34 PM
All that precision equipment and a CLAW HAMMER Noooooo!

Adjusting stick if you please :lol:

fabphil
03-02-19, 06:47 PM
Got an afternoon in the garage!
Fabricated the brace for the oil pump. All fits nicely.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c5734554cf0e.jpg
Fitted pan gasket and checked distance to bottom of oil pickup. Got just under 7 1/2". Camera angle makes it look closer to 7 1/4"
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c57345560c9b.jpg
Checked depth of oil pan 8". So around 1\2" clearance between pick up and bottom of oil pan. Perfect for the Ford BB.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c573455d3b51.jpg

Tried on oil pan and it wouldn't sit down at the front of the block. It was the windage tray fouling the new pump brace!
Re-bent the brace. Just got clearance for the crank weight.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c5734585c3b0.jpg

Still had to relieve the windage a little.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c5734567019e.jpg

Oil pan now sits flat.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c57345853b0f.jpg

I cant actually go any further now until I get the bronze thrust plate sorted as I need to fit the timing chain cover before I can button up the bottom end.

fabphil
10-02-19, 05:47 PM
Got a top chap sending over the thrust plate I need, should be here end of next week.

Thought while I'm waiting I'll get the cylinder heads out for a look. John Kaase Racing P-51s
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c6061ae6e6cc.jpg


http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c6061af15f1e.jpg
CNC'ed 72cc chambers, Manley stainless valves.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c6061af4bd78.jpg
Manley double valve springs.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c6061af9313f.jpgi
Input ports are almost big enough to get a fist in :D
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c6061af92abd.jpg
Now found out I need the head locating dowels for both sides. More little stuff to order.
The spark plugs recommended for the head are Autolite AR3924s. Got a cost to import, 8.50 each!!!
Got on the interweb and found an NGK equivalent (3737) at 18.00 for 8 :tup:
Thats it for today.

fabphil
27-02-19, 07:51 AM
Just realised I posted the pic in the wrong thread. The bronze cam thrust bearing and cylinder head locating dowels have arrived so I can get on with the engine build now.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c754d106aea6.jpg

fabphil
28-02-19, 02:38 PM
New bearing in place.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77effc6fce2.jpg

Fitted lifter oil gallery plugs. The plugs in the front of the block have a taper on the back, a flat backed plug would cause a restriction in the oil way behind the LH one.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77effcebaae.jpg

Oiled up the Torington bearing on the back of the cam sprocket before installation
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77effc7031b.jpg

Installed timing chain cover, forgot to take a picture of the timing chain in place. I didn't forget it. Cam sprocket is held on with a 3/8" ARP bolt and extra thick washer. A common mod in the States is to have the cam drilled and threaded to 7/16" then use a Chevy crank bolt and washer to hold the sprocket in place. Fitted one piece pan gasket over chain cover. That's not blood on the floor, the timing chain was soaked in Comp Cams installation fluid (bright red) before fitting. The clamps are there as I suddenly realised I don't have any 4" x 5/16" bolts for the top of the timing cover. The crank spacer was fitted with the chain cover to centre it properly so the oil seal is sitting evenly all round. Have got the woodruff key somewhere. Am just waiting on a hub for the ATI balancer. The one that came with mine has a 3/16" key way I need a 1/4" key way.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77effd0a088.jpg

Just to prove the chains in:)
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77effe19348.jpg

Installed the cylinder head location dowels.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77efffe20c6.jpg

Buttoned up the bottom end. Nice stainless studs from Canton.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77efffc6c9b.jpg

Installed the Cometec multi layer stainless steel head gaskets.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c77efffe1710.jpg

Then got called in for tea...more soon.

fad15
28-02-19, 04:33 PM
Never heard of the head gasket you are using. Can you give me some info on them, please.
G

fabphil
28-02-19, 06:20 PM
Never heard of the head gasket you are using. Can you give me some info on them, please.
G

They are a multi layer head gasket. Mine are stainless. The two outer parts have a coating on them that seals against the head and block, they can be reused.
The middle layer comes in different thicknesses. They are a little pricey though.


https://youtu.be/U3brmRRSqt4

Available from Performance Unlimited in the UK.
http://www.performanceunlimited.co.uk/brands/cometic-gaskets/

malamute john
28-02-19, 09:56 PM
Thats looking real good - those heads are pretty!:tup:

fabphil
02-03-19, 08:49 PM
The new ATI hub (on the right) arrived on Friday, big thanks to Marc at Performance Unlimited for sorting that out.
Did the usual bloke thing, fitted it together....none of the holes lined up. Got the original hub back out, none of the holes lined up!
Spent half an hour faffing around, then read the instructions.There is an offset hole in the balancer for alignment purposes and the correct hole in the hub is marked with a small dot. Found the dot, things still didn't line up. Then turned the hub round! all 6 holes suddenly fell into alignment.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7ae87b868f9.jpg

Fitted the 6 screws..instructions say these are not normal Torx screws use a T40 Plus bit...don't have one of those so has to visit our favorite auction site.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7ae87bc100b.jpg

Altogether just need to torque up the screws.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7ae87bc19a3.jpg

The new balancer has a 3 hole nounting for the front pulley not 4 like the old motor. So had to drill new holes in the ally pulley.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7ae87bc1efd.jpg

Got the heads in place. Excuse the clamps. once torqued up I can check the pushrod lengths.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7aec523cf91.jpg

Evidently Ford engines over 500cu in are known as Elephant motors. So we have something rare in the garage....an Orange elephant!

fabphil
05-03-19, 08:15 AM
Dropped in the new ARP oil pump drive shaft. It a bit bigger than the Ford original.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d59138b5.jpg

Then thought I may as well fit the balancer. 5/8" UNF rod was installed in the crank bolt hole.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d5a132f0.jpg

Balancer was slid on the rod and a thick washer and nut run up to it. Two nuts locked on the end of the rod to stop rotation.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d5a12d8f.jpg


All was going to plan until the balancer got half way on then stuck solid!!! Can't move it on or off even after applying heat.
Now waiting for a balancer puller kit to arrive.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d5a1e52b.jpg

Moved on to something else. Now the heads are on I fitted a couple of light weight springs to cylinder 1 valves and checked the length of pushrods I need.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d5991214.jpg
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d5959312.jpg

Placed new roller lifter in the holes and got out my adjustable pushrod.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e564466faa.jpg

After setting up the rocker at 90 degrees to the valve retainer and doing the various tweeks the rod length came out at 9" for the inlet and 9.191" for the exhaust.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d5a95c69.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c7e2d5adc38c.jpg
Will now be ordering some 9" & 9.2" Manley 7/16" rods.....more waiting.

steve1275
05-03-19, 04:26 PM
There have been comments elsewhere, but please check that those spark plugs are genuine, apparently a lot of NGK junk copies on the Bay. Would be a shame to damage that work of art for the sake of a few pence.

fad15
05-03-19, 04:53 PM
There have been comments elsewhere, but please check that those spark plugs are genuine, apparently a lot of NGK junk copies on the Bay. Would be a shame to damage that work of art for the sake of a few pence.

This kind of stuff really worries me. You never know if the motor factors out there, including the big names, are getting their parts from the same company's that the EBay'ers are.

How do you know what you are buying these days? More and more stuff seems to fail after a very short time.....

fabphil
05-03-19, 08:22 PM
There have been comments elsewhere, but please check that those spark plugs are genuine, apparently a lot of NGK junk copies on the Bay. Would be a shame to damage that work of art for the sake of a few pence.

Thanks for the warning. I may err on the side of caution and get the Autolites from the States.

fabphil
12-03-19, 02:27 PM
This arrived instead of the balancer puller! Anyone know what its for? Has now been returned for the correct item!
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c87c151a5bf2.jpg

This finally arrived today. Hope to get the balancer off now, hone the inside a fraction and re fit.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c87c1099b1b5.jpg

stilltrying
12-03-19, 05:02 PM
Phil, that first kit is for winding back brake caliper pistons, very useful on cars built after about 2002 as a lot of rear disc braked cars that also use the caliper for the hand brake need the pistons winding back in not pushing.

fabphil
28-03-19, 09:20 PM
Whilst waiting for bits mocked up the roof consul from cardboard. Need to mess around with it a bit to fit, theres a lot to get in.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c9d38c0a0162.jpg

Finally managed to get the damper off. The ATI tech says if clearance is a problem get your local machine shop to hone out the hub.
Tried asking a couple and they both said "has it got a keyway?" Can't use honing stones as they will catch in the keyway.
I've managed to find a bit of 1/4" x 1/4" brass to fill the keyway so I can hone it myself.

Pushrods arrived 7/16" big boys.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c9d38c1453ab.jpg

Have now got to ease out the pushrod guide plates to take the bigger rods.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5c9d38c180908.jpg

stilltrying
29-03-19, 03:44 PM
Getting ever closer, you do realise we will need a video of first fire :tup:

fabphil
30-03-19, 05:45 PM
Getting ever closer, you do realise we will need a video of first fire :tup:

There will be a video when the time comes...just seems along way off still loads to do.

fabphil
07-04-19, 05:44 PM
New pushrods in the guides.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5caa3602ab13a.jpg
Harland Sharpe 1.73 ratio roller rockers in place. Only bought them 'cause they was orange :D
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5caa36040c4e4.jpg
All lined up with extended polylocks on.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5caa3604c4441.jpg
Rocker stud girdle in place.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5caa360468ba2.jpg
Now we are nearing "Engine Porn" :tup:
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5caa3604b22df.jpg

stilltrying
08-04-19, 08:04 PM
Nearing, already there!!!!!:tup:

fabphil
01-05-19, 08:20 PM
Not much achieved over the last couple of weekends Easter etc.
Small job done tonight, distributor drive gear changed.
The standard iron gear is OK for hydraulic cams but not for a billet steel solid roller cam.
Had to knock out the rolled pin and remove the original gear, its an interference fit so needed a 2 arm puller. That plus a battery impact wrench, the gear didn't stand a chance. Off it came.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cc9feef39f51.jpg

Had to heat up the new bronze gear, drive it on to the shaft using a deep socket, line up the holes for the pin.
Drill 1/8" hole through the far side of the gear and punch the pin back in. Job done :tup:

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cc9feef3e79a.jpg

Plumpcars
02-05-19, 05:57 AM
Keep an eye on the bronze gear. I'm getting through them in 1000miles on the street.

fabphil
02-05-19, 08:35 AM
Keep an eye on the bronze gear. I'm getting through them in 1000miles on the street.

Will do. Someone did mention a composite gear to me but it was twice the cost and I had the bronze one waiting on the shelf for two years!

fabphil
13-05-19, 12:55 PM
Finally got round to looking at the damper hub that needs honing.
I purchased a 3 stone honer from our fav auction site. On arrival I realised it wouldn't work as the stones were the same size as the keyway, so would just get stuck.
I tried calling my usual machine shops I use thy all asked if the hub had a keyway. When told yes they all said they couldn't do it for the same reason.
Then it came to me, fill the keyway with something! Sourced some 1/4 x 1/4" brass bar. Then needed to get it to 1/8" deep. Got out the junior hacksaw and cut straight down the middle. What do you know, it fitted exactly.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cd969342234f.jpg

Went to find the hone tool... spent the next two hours turning the garage upside down, still couldn't find it so had to order another one...now waiting for it to arrive!

fabphil
13-05-19, 09:17 PM
After almost a year just looking at it I finished the plumbing on one side tonight :tup:
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cd9deacc2c2e.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cd9deacf187e.jpg

stilltrying
13-05-19, 09:22 PM
I feel your pain on losing tools and gear that you know you have but can't find:tdown: Nice idea on the keyway but have to wonder why the machine shops didn't think of it.

Getting ever closer to a fire up:tup:

fabphil
15-05-19, 07:51 AM
Some more done tonight. Offside solenoids and distribution blocks.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cdbc4316734d.jpg
Tube bender. Its not as easy to be consistent like all the videos on YouTube show! Even measuring twice and bending one the offside pipes are all slightly longer than the nearside:confused:
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cdbc431673e8.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cdbc431ca192.jpg

All nitrous kit installed and fuel and nitrous supply pipes connected.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cdbc431b9152.jpg

fad15
15-05-19, 04:24 PM
You just keep going.... Brilliant.

Just FYI, brass will clog a honing stone, just like alloy will. Be careful you dont end up with a 'drag' in your bore. if the brass picks up.

fabphil
16-05-19, 01:36 PM
You just keep going.... Brilliant.

Just FYI, brass will clog a honing stone, just like alloy will. Be careful you dont end up with a 'drag' in your bore. if the brass picks up.

Thanks Gerry will keep an eye on things. Only need to take a couple of thou out.

Plumpcars
17-05-19, 05:37 AM
I bought a composite gear but on further research discovered a number of problems with them breaking up when used to drive the oil pump as well on a Chevy(designed for external pump) . Decided not to risk that one.

fabphil
19-05-19, 08:45 AM
I bought a composite gear but on further research discovered a number of problems with them breaking up when used to drive the oil pump as well on a Chevy(designed for external pump) . Decided not to risk that one.

Looking at the notes that came with the MSD distributor they say you can use a steel gear on a billet steel cam, so may look into that for the next time.

fabphil
19-05-19, 08:51 AM
New honing tool arrived.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce117b8cc9c7.jpg
Looks like the trick with the brass insert worked. All honed. Wasn't sure wether to add oil or not so didn't in the end. The stones wore down fairly quickly but I achieved the end result I needed.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce117b8d07c7.jpg
The hub was heated up with a heat gun for a couple of minutes then it slipped on the crank snout with out to much effort. Once cold the fit was what I would expect. Damper bolt fitted and torqued to 90ft/lbs.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce117b93b81a.jpg
Damper installed, 6 bolts torqued to 16ft/lbs. Bolts use a T40 Torq bit. Installed timing pointer.
There are three bolts for the crank pulley. My old pulley set had four holes, so now have to re-drill the pulley!
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce117b943252.jpg

fad15
19-05-19, 01:11 PM
Good to know the brass behaved itself.

fabphil
19-05-19, 02:33 PM
Good to know the brass behaved itself.

:tup:

fabphil
19-05-19, 02:38 PM
Re-drilled the crank pulley and fitted.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce169494aa45.jpg

Then got out the bead roller. Just as well I didn't start straight on the seat panels as the roller needed a lot of tweaking before the beads were anywhere near even and the ally not getting chewed up.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce16948db8f5.jpg

Decided on a 1/2" bead for the seats and door panels.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce16948d72a6.jpg

First trials! This will defo need two people to do, one to turn the rollers and me to feed the work.
Finally got the bead even.
Just got to find the courage to put a real panel in there now!
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ce169494257c.jpg

stilltrying
20-05-19, 06:30 PM
Good luck with that. Always looks so easy when someone who knows what they are doing shows you but as an amateur, it just seems like sorcery.

fabphil
20-05-19, 07:28 PM
Good luck with that. Always looks so easy when someone who knows what they are doing shows you but as an amateur, it just seems like sorcery.

How do you know I don't know what I'm doing? :incheek:

stilltrying
21-05-19, 07:16 PM
The short bead:incheek:


Any chance of fabricating an end plate to fit a starter motor or similar that could turn the rollers for you?

fabphil
26-05-19, 05:15 PM
Got some play time today. Started on the roof switch panel.
This has to house all the usual switches lights, wipers, de-mist fan, brake level warning light and test switch plus all the aux switches for the nitrous, fuel pumps, cooling fans etc. Also has the radio, nitrous computer and trans and oil temp gauges.
Started off using the folder to get the basic shape then a lot of drilling, cutting and filing to get all the holes correct. The three holes in the back are for the BMW de-mist fan (BIVA requirement).

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ceac8b9edf89.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ceac8ba2e808.jpg

Cut and folded the end pieces.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ceac8f59836b.jpg

Riveted into place.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ceac8f5cc755.jpg

Fitted all the kit.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ceac8f62538d.jpg

The blower fan is the smallest I could find to fit, its the rear screen de-mist from a BMW cabriolet. Works like a small hairdryer, no water required.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5ceac8f62d471.jpg

stilltrying
27-05-19, 09:13 AM
Just remember that all edges need to be 2.5mm radius and no sharp bits. Sticking tape or foam over bits doesn't pass now.

Would like to know how the electric heater does for demisting as I have another kitcar that is air cooled and the heating to the screen is crap, if that set up works on your ride then maybe two of them would do for the screen I have.

fabphil
27-05-19, 10:02 AM
Just realised I've posted this in the engine thread, have copied all to my car build thread.

Stilltrying, was trying to do a 2.5mm radius with the bender but looks like I've got to have a re think.
All the switches are BIVA compliant but the volume knob on the radio and the edge of the gauges don't meet spec so will need something.

stilltrying
28-05-19, 06:59 PM
Bouncing from thread to thread:lol: should be in the correct place now.

fabphil
07-06-19, 07:42 AM
Time to fit the water pump. Applied a very thin layer of RTV to gasket and stuck in place.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cfa14a4e8518.jpg
More RTV on the front side.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cfa14a555d8f.jpg
Mounted up the pump backing plate and RTV fixed pump gaskets.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cfa14a590b05.jpg
Installed pump.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cfa14a659ff5.jpg
One more step closer to finishing.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5cfa14a65f1fd.jpg

stilltrying
07-06-19, 05:44 PM
One more ste[p for the rebuild and one less box cluttering up the garage:tup:

fabphil
05-07-19, 10:08 AM
Hoisted the engine down onto the floor. I can now get to the core plug behind the camshaft to install fully.
Also found out I need to order a 9/16" hex drive to do up the two screw in plugs either side. Theres always something!
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d1f1d7a41f14.jpg

The trans seems to be attracted to the new block, hope they mate together OK.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d1f1d7a5dfaa.jpg

The Wheel" flexplate from JW Racing ready to go on. Not sure which way round it goes though. Need to order 6 x 7/16"UNF TH bolts for that.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d1f1d7b711ca.jpg

New high stall custom convertor from JW Racing. When fully located on the trans drive shaft the ribs on top of the convertor rub on the bolts that secure the bell housing to the trans case. I'm hoping the convertor moves forward to the block once all is bolted together.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d1f1d7b71341.jpg

fad15
05-07-19, 06:47 PM
Pretty sure it will be OK, but If you are not sure or have problems call Eric.

And yes the TC should move forward when bolted up. Make dammed sure its all the way into the transmission before you offer it up to the block. If the trans and block dont meet each other without any strain you have not got it right. They should push up with no more effort than a little hummmph. If you have to pull them together with the bolts you WILL break something.
Gerry

fabphil
05-07-19, 09:08 PM
Pretty sure it will be OK, but If you are not sure or have problems call Eric.

And yes the TC should move forward when bolted up. Make dammed sure its all the way into the transmission before you offer it up to the block. If the trans and block dont meet each other without any strain you have not got it right. They should push up with no more effort than a little hummmph. If you have to pull them together with the bolts you WILL break something.
Gerry

Thanks Gerry, any idea which way round the flex plate should go? Inset towards the crank or trans?

fad15
06-07-19, 05:21 AM
Sorry mate, memory is shite these days.. someone here will know.

stilltrying
06-07-19, 08:51 AM
Can tell for sure but if you put the flex plate on the floor either way up and then put the torque converter on top, the bolt holes will either line up or there will be a gap, if a gap turn the flex plate over. Just going by the photo.

fabphil
10-07-19, 08:17 PM
One step forward, two steps back!

The HT bolts to mount the flex plate to crank (7/16" x 1" UNF) arrived and after fitting......were to long and touched the back of the block...bu**er!

Had a thought about how many horses will be going through these bolts then looked at ARP flex plate bolts, 25.00 for 6 which ever way I look at it. Buy here or order from Summit.......bu**er.

Sorted out which way the flex plate goes. The TC only sits flat on it one way. A sticker or stamp saying "engine" would be useful.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d264599cd95e.jpg

Another question, there is a thin steel plate that fitted between the C6 trans and the original block. Do I need this?
What is it actually for?

Plumpcars
11-07-19, 04:55 AM
Long time sinc I did a Ford but isn't the mid plate used to locate the starter correctly? Also if you remove it your converter depth into trans would be affected? Didn't Ford use a strengthening ring around those flex plate mounting bolts as well?

fad15
11-07-19, 05:44 AM
This is the 1mm thick (approx), plate? Its for antivibration and frequency isolation (thats what I was told)...I would use it.

fabphil
11-07-19, 12:07 PM
Done a bit more digging.
Its called a block plate (rather than a motor plate used for mounting the engine) and is one of the items that sets the depth the starter pinion gear engages with the flex plate ring gear.
Some people seem to use them others not.
I think I'll use mine for safetys sake.
I remember my old MK2 Cortina had a plate between the block and box, was always areal pain to line up everything and get a bolt started.
Looks like I also need two transmission locating dowels as well!!!

There is no strengthening ring on my original 460 flex plate, may be a small block thing?
The JW flex plate is pretty meaty so probably doesn't need one.

(The strengthening ring - turns out is a circular shim (0.050") washer used to space the flywheel bolts away from the block.
Used on a lot of Fords especially diesels).

fad15
11-07-19, 04:03 PM
Thats weird, I always thought the starter motor was shimmed (why they supply a number of shims with it) rather than the whole trans.
Still think it has something to do with vibration and harmonics between the block (iron) and trans (alloy). Still we live and learn.

fabphil
11-07-19, 07:15 PM
Thats weird, I always thought the starter motor was shimmed (why they supply a number of shims with it) rather than the whole trans.
Still think it has something to do with vibration and harmonics between the block (iron) and trans (alloy). Still we live and learn.

The Ford starter bolts straight up to the bell housing with the plate as a spacer.

OK, so I needed to get the block plate off the old engine. Thought it would be U shaped like my old Fords and just lift off.
No such luck, had to struggle to remove the flex plate as I'd put it against the garage wall and a 460 engine weighs in at around 600LBs so not easy to just swing round!
Finally got it off and de-greased.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d278afe7a51b.jpg

Then had to free the new flex plate from its fit on the new crank.
Some time later the block plate was in situ and the flex plate mounted using the old bolts. APR's on order from Topspeed.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d278afe7a4df.jpg

stilltrying
12-07-19, 12:09 PM
Could have given it a bit of a paint up:incheek: still going forwards though:tup:

fabphil
17-07-19, 02:31 PM
New flex plate bolts arrived.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d2f308f04752.jpg
Got some 1/2" bright steel bar and made some trans alignment dowels.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d2f308f0454d.jpg
New bolts fitted. That was fun... apply ARP lube to underside of head then Loctite to thread and torque up to 75LB/FT.
The bushing in the center is to adapt a GM torque converter to a Ford crank.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d2f308e3dfeb.jpg

fad15
17-07-19, 06:26 PM
Dowels are the most important things with the trans to block aliment. Too many people dismiss them and suffer the consequences.

fabphil
17-07-19, 07:28 PM
Dowels are the most important things with the trans to block aliment. Too many people dismiss them and suffer the consequences.

Did think if I really needed them but erred on the side of caution.
Old Fords being fairly agricultural only needed a 1/2" diameter piece of rod bashed into the block 3/4".
Sorted :tup:

fabphil
22-07-19, 11:25 AM
Poured 3 quarts of fluid into the TC and waited for the air bubbles to stop.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d359aa33f0cc.jpg

Mounted up on trans input shaft. It took almost 10 minutes of twisting and gentle pushing for it to engage in the pump.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d359aa30fa3d.jpg

Propped up the rear of the trans on a bit of wood to get things level, then with "a little hummmph" the trans slid into place.
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d359aa312211.jpg

Then bolted up 30FT/LBS. Job done :tup:
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d359aa38c01b.jpg

Just got to sort the firewall area of the body out now so I can hoist into place....

fad15
22-07-19, 12:14 PM
It took almost 10 minutes of twisting and gentle pushing for it to engage in the pump.

Can take that long even for professionals. Now you can see why so many people get it wrong.

Now fill the trans to the top mark and fire up the engine. Add more fluid until you get a CLEAN line on both sides of the dip stick. I have dipped and wiped over 20 times on some transmissions to get a clean line of the level.

First trip around the block, dip the trans again.

Hope this is not eggs and grandma....


Seen a trans input shaft, seal and converter nose wiped out after a few hundred miles due to no dowels installed. They are there for a reason.

fabphil
18-08-19, 07:30 PM
Had to find some where to put the induction so the top of the motor seemed like a good place.
Getting there :tup:
http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d59a3ebc54eb.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d59a3eaeda97.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d59a3ec54943.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/5/6/1/561_5d59a3ebc4f34.jpg