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femurphy77
19-10-17, 08:33 PM
I've been trying to resurrect a long dormant project of late. I actually started this innocently enough about 20 years ago then life took a major left turn. After having recently returned to the correct track I decided to try and get this thing at least to the point where it would move under its own power. I've been autocrossing for a l-o--n-g time with the same car, a 66 mustang coupe and it was getting a little dirt track looking for lack of a better description.

I decided to buy a straight tub, install a proper cage in it and then transfer the mechanicals from my old car into for a more presentable product. Of course as I'm sure many of you know that the longer it takes to complete a project the more you face the danger of "scope creep". True to form my elegantly simple planned morphed into a full coil over double a arm front and a coil over 3 link rear design. I also chose to step up the game in terms of ergonomics and rules maximization.

There definitely won't be constant updates as I have many other irons in the fire but am motivated to realize my goal of having it movable under its own power by early spring.

The first picture is essentially what it has looked like for the past 10 or so years

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_59e90b101bc58.jpg

This photo is how it sets today, literally hanging from the rafters. Not having a lift I decided to build a gallows to hang it from to make it easier to work on the front suspension.

https://i.imgur.com/oTyXsEi.jpg

Stiff
19-10-17, 09:30 PM
Hell yeah, I'm liking that! Are you sure those front tires are wide enough? You'll get some grip with those! :D

stilltrying
19-10-17, 10:14 PM
Looks better on the ground than in the air. Plans always seem to extend more than expected and therefore the execution invariably takes longer. Maybe a video of first fire up when the time comes, we like photo's but videos are even better.:tup:

Or is this just a ploy to get to the adult section:incheek:

femurphy77
19-10-17, 10:33 PM
Looks better on the ground than in the air. Plans always seem to extend more than expected and therefore the execution invariably takes longer. Maybe a video of first fire up when the time comes, we like photo's but videos are even better.:tup:

Or is this just a ploy to get to the adult section:incheek:

Dammit. They're on to me!!:crazy:

malamute john
25-10-17, 02:21 AM
Yep, yer busted.

Hey, how about doing a history of the [original] car? I see there are parts of it that still live on... Man, youd be into 4 digits of posts if you just told half the stories that car could tell... :)

femurphy77
29-11-17, 01:38 AM
Well been busy with life! This car is essentially all there . . ."some assembly required"! After I strung it up from the rafters I started installing the Ride Tech front suspension and immediately ran into issues with their bearing retainers working with they Dynacorn replacement strut brackets. After several attempts to make the retainers work including working with the Ride Tech engineers to come up with an off the shelf solution, I've determined that I'll have to do some machining to make everything work together. I'll drop them at the machine shop tomorrow and as soon as I get them back I'll post some pics of what I had to do to make them work. In Ride Tech's defense, if it hadn't been necessary to remove the original strut brackets their stuff would have worked perfectly!

And honestly MJ the old car exists primarily in spirit only. Other than the doors and drivetrain it's all different.

stilltrying
29-11-17, 09:07 AM
Triggers broom.:tup:

fabphil
29-11-17, 09:14 AM
Triggers broom.:tup:

That may need further explanation :)

KerbyCrewGary
29-11-17, 10:32 AM
That may need further explanation :)

* see 'Paddy's shovel' *

femurphy77
29-11-17, 10:57 AM
Trigger's Broom fits to a "T"!

You're right Fab and Kerby, this yank had to look it up. Found Fools and Horses but the only Paddy's shovel I found involved Shawn getting his ass handed to him by Paddy. The bartender was understandably confused as Shawn is a big strapping longshoremen and Paddy is a miniscule gardener. Bartender asked Shawn if Paddy had used something on him and he replied "yes, a shovel". Bartender asked Shawn if he didn't have something in his hand he could have defended himself with and Shawn replied "Yes, Mrs. Paddy's breast. And a fine breast it were but pretty useless in a fight!":doh:

malamute john
30-11-17, 02:09 AM
I assume that Paddys shovel and Triggers broom is sort of like george Washingtons axe...

Be that as it may, i recognised some parts on the new car [like the doors] and being a race car, ya know, things get replaced. Its an evolution of the original...

but whatever, you oughta tell some stories about the original car. maybe trace its evolution, talk about driving straight thru from Key West to teh Street Machine nats, getting pulled over and then getting off scot free cause the cop didnt believe his radar gun - knew there was no way you could take that corner/on ramp that fast, those sorts of things. We wont talk about running out of gas [several dozen times], dead alternators in the middle of the night, broken z-bars [oops...], crushed headers er any of that stuff! ;)

stilltrying
30-11-17, 10:38 AM
Yes please we like those sorts of stories:tup:

Stiff
30-11-17, 10:56 AM
Yes please we like those sorts of stories:tup:

Yes we do (and you could help John when he's writing that book of old 'tales of yore' that's been long overdue :D )

I really like those doors.

stilltrying
30-11-17, 01:39 PM
I had forgotten about the book, how is it coming MJ?

Someone I sort of know has self published a book via Amazon, couldn't have been expensive as he wouldn't have done it:lol: so no need to find a publisher:tup:

malamute john
02-12-17, 03:11 PM
I had forgotten about the book, how is it coming MJ?


still waiting on my airline tickets from dhl so I can come over and we can discuss it... :)

femurphy77
06-12-17, 10:59 PM
Guys, MJ's the story teller in the family. I'm just the fodder for some of the stories. While he and I shared many adventures there are many more that he's only heard about; burnouts in an open header 69 Roadrunner in front of a state troopers house at 2 o'clock in the morning. Darn near causing a riot during one of our many visits to see Rocky Horror Picture show while living in Key West. Getting pulled over with 20 of your closest friends at the same time because we all thought it would be "cool" to cruise Duval street with a variety of uncapped "muscle" cars. Getting caught drag racing a 69 z28 on A1A and not being able to talk ourselves out of the tickets (see above about burnouts in front of state troopers house at 2 a.m.) Doing our version of the cannonball run after watching "Gumball Rally" at the drive in (see above about getting pulled over with 20 of your closest friends). Driving above roadrunner into the mangroves during recreation of cannonball run incident. Having our butts saved by a county sheriff friend when he was first on the scene, although I'm sure he believed us when we told him we hadn't been drinking he convinced us that it might be in our own best interests to let him speak to state trooper that was en route. (See aforementioned incident involving burnouts, 2 a.m., troopers house)

Damn I'm surprised I stayed out of jail now that I'm digging up all these blocked, I mean forgotten memories!

stilltrying
07-12-17, 10:47 AM
Well now you have started it should be fairly easy to continue unblocking those memories. I would suggest a sit down with MJ and a bottle of DJ and then let him do the write up:tup: Think of yourself as a top end celebrity, they don't actually write the books they tell the stories and someone else does the hard work.:lol: sorry MJ but you do have a way with words.

malamute john
08-12-17, 09:26 AM
Thanx Mr Stilltrying, but as you can tell above, Mr Murphy is quite capable, nay, adept, at telling tales himself.

And while we did indeed share many adventures, methinks the ones that I have only academic knowledge of would prove more captivating as I have always been somewhat dull and a 'stick in the mud' ; FEM77 is neither, and can relate some interesting antics from times past with in depth personal insight. Of course, in his defence, he does actually have a life, so time is a fairly precious commodity to my friend...but unlocking those 'traumatic' times from ones subconscious is very healthy and good for the soul, so I move that he share those with us here! :)

femurphy77
06-03-18, 11:35 PM
Well as promised in the OP and in order to be legit in saying updates will be few and far between I felt it necessary to outline the minimal progress made on this particular project. Having originally been talked into a completely custom built front suspension I pulled the forward strut rod mounting points off the tub to make way for the "much improved" custom built front suspension. Part of life getting in the way involved moving approximately 700 miles northeast of said "much improved custom built front suspension" fabricator. Wanting to get the project back on track and not near as impressed with all the shiny parts like I used to be I decided to go back to a stock based front suspension and much to my delight discovered Ride Tech just a couple of hours south of the new homestead so I pony'd up the coin and waited for the big brown truck to roll up.

Remember the part about removing the factory strut rod mounts? Well it seems that all of the groovy new replacement parts you can get for pony cars aren't "exact" replacement parts because they've beefed them up for strength. Unfortunately the solid bearing mount arrangement that Ride Tech makes doesn't work with the aftermarket replacement frame parts so I've been working with a local machine shop to come up with a solution. Unfortunately the only solution I can come up with is finding a set of original front strut mounts, remove the dynacorn parts on the car now and installed the used original stuff.

Ride Tech did work with me to find a solution that didn't include redoing the front mount points but it just ain't gonna happen. I'll get a couple of pictures and add them in a day or two.

In the meantime I've also been working on installing hydro boost power brakes to the 63 Galaxie 500 and am happy to report that that particular project seems to be progressing nicely!!

stilltrying
07-03-18, 08:34 AM
I've got hydroboost brakes on my suburban, not too impressed with it though. When the serpentine belt broke I lost power steering, water pump, a/c, alternator power and the brakes INSTANTLY. The steering was just really really heavy but the brakes were next to useless, would much rather have a servo assist than hydroboost anyday, having said that if you don't have any power assist at present then a hydroboost system is far better than nothing:tup:

malamute john
08-03-18, 03:46 AM
Well, at least something is starting to go right on the Galaxie...finally. :)

femurphy77
10-03-18, 11:35 PM
I've got hydroboost brakes on my suburban, not too impressed with it though. When the serpentine belt broke I lost power steering, water pump, a/c, alternator power and the brakes INSTANTLY. The steering was just really really heavy but the brakes were next to useless, would much rather have a servo assist than hydroboost anyday, having said that if you don't have any power assist at present then a hydroboost system is far better than nothing:tup:

Definitely a downer when you lose the drive belts but with the cam that it will eventually get back in it there isn't enough vacuum to drive a vac based system and after looking at the alternatives and my neighbor about to scrap a chevy pickup with the required parts it kind of fell into place.

stilltrying
11-03-18, 05:29 PM
Fair enough, better than no assist at all. The alternative I assume would be a vacuum pump but I believe they can be a bit noisy.

femurphy77
10-06-18, 03:13 PM
During a recent diagonal land based trip down to the Flyover Zone Denise, my co-pilot and I side tripped to a farmers back 40 to "repurpose" some parts from what used to be a '65 mustang but soon destined to be turned into Toyota parts. Upstream I had mentioned that for some reason I found it necessary to remove the strut brackets from under my project mustang and later found it necessary to reinstall reproduction parts in their place and soon found that the reproduction parts were not dimensionally comparable to the OE stuff.

So anyhow I tried doing some grinding:

http://i.imgur.com/5POOqMJ.jpg (https://imgur.com/5POOqMJ)

which proved insufficient to get bearing retainers in place:

http://i.imgur.com/8Q1rdAW.jpg (https://imgur.com/8Q1rdAW)

so we ended up cutting this from the donor:

http://i.imgur.com/cKCQGkV.jpg (https://imgur.com/cKCQGkV)

to repurpose these after a little reinforcing welding:

http://i.imgur.com/2hx4K0Z.jpg (https://imgur.com/2hx4K0Z)

that finally allowed the installation of the Ride Tech components which have been languishing on my shelf since 2012:

http://i.imgur.com/k5FsP7b.jpg (https://imgur.com/k5FsP7b)

femurphy77
10-06-18, 09:51 PM
Starting to get the control arms and steering linkage trial fit.


http://i.imgur.com/6J9L7L8.jpg (https://imgur.com/6J9L7L8)

malamute john
11-06-18, 10:13 PM
Looking quite tidy.
Been finding out myself that some of this 'reproduction' stuff isnt fitting as it should too.
This is gonna be neat when you get done...

femurphy77
12-06-18, 11:36 PM
Finished dummying in the left coilover. Everything has fit quite nicely save for some minor "tweaking" here and there because we're installing precision engineered parts into a production chassis of which several million were built at different facilities using jigs with varying amounts of wear! I'm currently waiting on my new pitman arm and roller bearing idler arm and then the steering linkage will be in. In the meantime I'll get the hubs fit up and see if I can't get this thing down on wheels and let it at least look more car like for awhile!

http://i.imgur.com/Q8Jq0g8.jpg (https://imgur.com/Q8Jq0g8)

stilltrying
13-06-18, 08:17 PM
Coming along nicely, as for buying stuff that doesn't fit correctly, well that just seams to be the norm nowadays. I bought an ali sump for a 350 chevy, they must have sold thousands of these things but believe it or not I have had to file out all but four of the bolt holes so that they line up with the block, how the hell they can get that so wrong is beyond me!!!

femurphy77
17-06-18, 06:55 PM
Some more suspension porn:

My brake components came from Kore 3 and utilize C5 calipers and rotors which in turn bolts to the Ride Tech spindles. I'm told the only difference between the standard C5 and Z06 is the Z06 calipers are a little more rigid in design.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5b26acf737d5b.jpg


http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5b26ad856e949.jpg

This is a C5 rear tire/wheel combo strictly being used for clearance checks. It has about 7-7 1/2 inches of back space where I'll be using a 5 to 6 inch backspace wheel. I have some 2 inch spacers I'll be using with the C5 combo for movement around the shop until I commit to the wheel of choice.

I still need to get the rotors but haven't decided on a one piece or two piece design. Probably go with the two piece design as it's lighter which shouldn't be an issue for my use but since they weigh considerably less then naturally they have to cost considerably more!


http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5b26ae071334e.jpg

malamute john
20-06-18, 04:00 PM
CORVETTE calipers on a Mustang?!? ;)
roller bearing idler sounds neat too. looking really nice.

femurphy77
24-06-18, 12:25 AM
CORVETTE calipers on a Mustang?!? ;)
roller bearing idler sounds neat too. looking really nice.

Well I really wanted to use some from a '57 Isard Goggomobil as anyone that remembers them knows what a cutting edge performance vehicle they were. The problem with sourcing something from such a rare and exotic vehicle as the Goggomobil is that "when" you can find parts they are extremely expensive. So it came down to '73 pinto or C5 corvette.

I hope I made the right choice!:drunk:

malamute john
27-06-18, 09:55 PM
I dunno...the technical innovation represented by the Goggomobil may have been worth the effort... the money, naturally, aint no thang to a man of your means. ;)

femurphy77
25-12-18, 11:23 PM
Due to distractions caused by my Galaxie project and the NEED to get some forward progress on this project I decided to farm out some simple cage work in the form of adding 3 straight pieces of tube to it as well as fabbing my rear wheel tubs. I just picked the car up from the shop over the weekend so here's some more build porn.

Dropped it off at the shop:

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c22bb1915f47.jpg

Upper attach point

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c22bb1ee09d6.jpg

femurphy77
25-12-18, 11:24 PM
A few more:


http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c22bb1836dcc.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c22bb1ca1ad7.jpg

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c22bb2035e83.jpg

malamute john
26-12-18, 05:55 PM
When I saw that Camaro in the background, I had to reach for the smelling salts.... then I re-read and saw that you had farmed some of the cage support[s] and such out to a commercial vendor. Had me worried there for a second; thought maybe you'had seen the light'... ;) ;) ;)
Looks good. Tubs - with the flares, how big of a tyre/wheel will you be able to fit? 12" wheel? There were 10s on the original old car running around on the street as I remember...

femurphy77
26-12-18, 10:16 PM
Yup, 12 wide but haven't decided on diameter. Thinking 18's if I go with a competition street radial, probably 16 if I go with a bias ply slick, the "dropped off at the shop" pic shows it on bias ply slicks. I'm going to go with a 6 or 7" rear spacing trying to keep the rear as narrow as I can but not sure about the fronts yet. I have come close to going into an F body a couple of times but have too much money in this package.

femurphy77
08-02-19, 10:47 PM
Well I brought it home from the shop that fabbed my tubs and installed the extra tubes in the cage and loaded it up on the rotisserie to make it easier to weld in the tubs.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c5e048598359.jpg

Got them welded in and primed with some etching primer/

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c5e061091ac1.jpg

Flare back in place because it looks so much better.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c5e06191db8f.jpg

This is how I plan on reinforcing the firewall area.

http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5c5e0637e6865.jpg

malamute john
28-02-19, 09:57 PM
Looks like some significant progress; obviously will be ready for the season opener!
Does look better with the flare...gonna run air ducts to the rear brakes like the old car?

femurphy77
30-01-20, 10:29 PM
Looks like some significant progress; obviously will be ready for the season opener!
Does look better with the flare...gonna run air ducts to the rear brakes like the old car?

Sad isn't it? Completely forgot about this thread as I've been chronicling it (somewhat) on another site. No air ducts this time. Also sad to state that not much done to it since last updated but I have fabbed up the fuel cell/pump mount, freshened up the engine and updated it with better headers and intake. I'm also going to be running an electric water pump to help alleviate some of the post run hi temp issues I've always fought with this car. Right not I'm waiting for a temp/humidity combination that will allow me to paint the underside so I can start bolting the suspension back on for the final time.

I'll add some updated pics in a day or two.

femurphy77
30-01-20, 10:34 PM
Yup, 12 wide but haven't decided on diameter. Thinking 18's if I go with a competition street radial, probably 16 if I go with a bias ply slick, the "dropped off at the shop" pic shows it on bias ply slicks. I'm going to go with a 6 or 7" rear spacing trying to keep the rear as narrow as I can but not sure about the fronts yet. I have come close to going into an F body a couple of times but have too much money in this package.

Decided to go with an 18" diameter wheel:


http://www.torquedup.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/usr_images/7/2/6/726_5e33594ddbcae.jpg

I've always had a thing for the vintage Trans Am look but never owned a set of Mini's. Opted for ET Wheels LT3. The Continental rains that are mounted on them were bought to facilitate moving the car around once I get it back on the ground.

stilltrying
31-01-20, 11:27 AM
Glad there is still progress on this, can't wait to see how the wheel and tyre combo look when on the ground.:tup:

malamute john
01-02-20, 02:58 AM
LOVE the wheels!!! :woohoo:

Interesting how things work...bitd, Mr M ran 200S's on his Mustang and I had Minilite replicas on my Corvette. Now, Frank is using Minilite style wheels and I have a set of 200Ss tentatively scheduled for my Corvette...