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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Incubator-Jones View Post
    I don't really see modern cars surviving half a century.
    Fri my boss [hybrid co car ] turned up in his moggy convertible. I went to fill up after work and there was a moggy saloon on the next pump.
    Cant remember the last time i saw a sierra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Incubator-Jones View Post
    I don't really see modern cars surviving half a century. Cars as a general interest seems to be falling by the wayside; if you think of a magazine for modern car enthusiasts like Fast Car, I'm sure its circulation is nothing like what Custom Car's was in the '70s and I don't know anyone who buys The Autocar today. I reckon proper classics will survive, but they'll become like art, to be stashed away, sold for profit and occasionally put on public display for pseudo-intellectual comment.

    I have no problem at all with talking with those from two generations previous to me - after all, it's thanks to them that I've got good cars, good music, etc. to enjoy - but I can't be at ease with the apathy and inertia that defines the young. I've been keen to support the NSRA Under-29s scheme but the forum's dead and, when I went along to their first meeting at Goodwood, I got the impression that the representatives were a bit miserable, to put it bluntly. I wouldn't have been miserable if I'd had a hot rod, the South Downs and an early Sunday morning at my disposal, but maybe that's just me.
    there is a slight possibility that i may have upset some of the nsra committee in the past! apparently telling the truth is not democratic or diplomatic !!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannaB View Post
    Fri my boss [hybrid co car ] turned up in his moggy convertible. I went to fill up after work and there was a moggy saloon on the next pump.
    Cant remember the last time i saw a sierra
    most of the sierras were chopped up for kitcars as the bits were very strong

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    Lets be fair about cars, the cars we all drove when young were CRAP and rusting away even though they were only a few years old, the car I did most of my learning in was a 1967 Hilman Minx Estate, it taught me alot about driving but my father bought the car brand new and we went on a tour of France,Italy, Spain and Portugal when it was only just three months old. On the way back as we pulled into the Bilbao Port the rear exhaust box and pipe fell off. Some eight years later and the front wings were rotting out just above the headlights as well as the bottoms at the rear and when it went for one MOT they prodded it so much that the floor mounted accelerator fell out on the ramp.
    He got a company car, it was a MK1 Ford Escort with the really long gear lever (didn't make them for long), the gear lever actually came away in his hand whilst in rush hour traffic, the car was one week old.
    His next company car was a Hilman Avenger, how many of those have you seen recently, probably none, his one was rusting within the year.
    In contrast, my lad has a 16 year old Golf and there is NO rust anywhere (usually they do have a bit on the front wings).
    My wife's 16 year old mini also has no rust and the engine just keeps on going (jinxed that now ) and these are the cars that in another 20 or so years, if allowed fuel to run them, that people will be driving as classic's because the younger generation will be looking back with rose tinted glasses at their first cars and have spare cash to buy one or get one done up. This is the only real reason Ford's are so popular because our generation and the one after used them to learn in and rag around, with more disposable income and nostalgia people are buying them up or getting their original ones out of storage and getting them done up. I grant you that some are just done for profit because interest rates are so bad.

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    I think that really beggars the question of exactly what makes a car crap. Is a car that performs faultlessly but looks like a turd really better than a car that starts to fall apart after five years of regular use but, in good condition, is the Venus of all cars? Are we going to enjoy driving a car that slavishly obeys every command with indifferent compliance, or is there more satisfaction to be had from the car that responds on its own terms, depending on how you maintain it, your driving style, road conditions and the mood it's in? Is it more important to have a 100% journey success rate, or a car that gives you a reason to smile from time to time? Ideally you'd have both, but if you have to make the choice (and, at present, you do) I'd go for the interesting car.

    Even the Escort gearstick debacle has an upside. It was a frustration at the time, but 45 years later you've got an amusing anecdote, so it all worked out well in the long run.

    My rhetoric may be all well and good, but of course I've not yet touched on the fact that today, with galvanising and other rust-proofing processes, it is theoretically possible to construct a brand new Minx, Escort or Avenger that would have the structural longevity of the Golf and the pretender to the Mini name. That's what the car industry should be doing, but malicious safety legislation has forced every car to become a uniform gelatinous blob with lesions of plastic and crumple zones protruding like tumours.

    As for my own Super Minx, considering its age (57 years) and the use it receives (longest journey so far has been 300 miles in a day) its integrity is highly commendable. Oh, and if we're going to play rare species Top Trumps, I've seen a Talbot Avenger estate driving around Beckenham on a few occasions... The trouble with modern cars is that they might function for 20 years before they give up, but when the ECU packs up, whose going to fix it? Main dealer might but they'd probably try to convince you that you should trade it in for a new car.

    If 1990s/2000s cars do eventually enter the pantheon of classics, it would be interesting to ascertain the reasons behind people's enthusiasm for them. Would it be down to nostalgia, or would it be because all pre-1980 cars have become investment commodities and reached stratospheric values so they have to make do with what they can afford. Or could it be that road conditions and bureaucratic persecution become so hostile that actually running an older car on the road would be practically impossible?

    The Goodwood event I visited the other weekend was the Retro Rides Weekender, which I had to attend with an open mind because I knew it would be mainly younger cars (pre-1998 cut-off) that aren't necessarily my kind of thing. I did get the impression, though, that a lot of the people there had a genuine enthusiasm for cars and some cars had some really nice custom touches which, to my mind, seemed wasted on things like Vauxhall Novas and BMW Z3s. I did wonder (it wouldn't really have been polite to ask) how many of them would have preferred to own older cars if they considered it feasible. Note that most of the cars at the RR Weekender were cherished because they'd been modified - there was relatively little love for Novas or Fiestas in factory trim. There's a Mk. IV Golf near me that I keep meaning to photograph because, being lowered, debadged and sitting on maybe 20" chrome five-spokes, it genuinely looks quite cool. There's just one problem: it's Golf-shaped.

    Just my musings on the matter, worth all that it cost you.

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    Talking of survivors, there's a street full of Moggies in South London






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    It runs parallel with CitroŽn Street








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    This Bedford CF Dormobile was in a different part of South London entirely. I also passed a pretty clean-looking Jowett Javelin in traffic round by the Kennington Oval!

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    Having problems with internet connections over the last few days, so my lengthy reply to NIJ got wiped out and I tried again today but same thing happened, so to all your relief only short replies.

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